man has been and will always be
simultaneously fascinated and terrified aviano
change is the necessary ingredient for all advancement
and yet it is something that very few can accept
without a fight in the quest to understand outer space
the Greek mathematician pythagoras was the first to propose
that the world was a sphere rotating on its own access
an idea that seemed absurd to a sixth century BC Society
that believes in a flat stationary world
they out casper factories and insisted that an invisible man in a chariot with
flying horses dragged to the Sun
across the sky each day I'm
supported by the newly formed Roman Catholic Church
this birth centered universe model remain generally accepted for fifteen
centuries
in that time many scientists theorize that the model was incorrect
but few dared to share their findings and those who did
where outcast the last of these rebels was Galileo
the first astronomer to use a telescope
and the last to be persecuted by the church for suggesting that the earth
traveled
around the Sun he was summoned to answer on charges of heresy
at his trial before the church Galloway I was forced to curse
a viewer and test his theory that the earth moved
around the Sun have you not done this he would have been burned alive
at the stake although galloway I'll complied
he was ordered to spend the rest of his life under house arrest
and was allowed no visitors or outside contact
immediately after being sentenced a stunned Callao
calmly declared and yet the earth
moves do she
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today
you know all of our infrastructure is run by computers
computers are playing a central role
electricity oil distribution
water water treatment
finances everything
go brought back a few years times you have pure text
things like %uh air traffic
shut it down
systems shutting down 911 emergency systems
so I was happening so much now now yeah
you know that could happen when we first started working with computer security
I think with a lot security practitioners I have just spent
these guys CA Yenisei
in the FBI you know they were like like the computer systems and mission
impossible
you know where they have these incredibly secure systems and they
actually mean with the
dealing and within a couple years I realized I was teaching
home
edge in a bar and government computer security is
is here corporate computer security is
here and my home network is up about
of
cyber terror is a kind of warfare on the virtual fronteer
and
sometimes though it can be but outside of the virtual round
the physical world such as one for example automated controls on power
systems
are attacked and then they cause power outages was a cause dams to burst
or pipelines to cease their flows and
this is the realm of the cyber terrorist of
yeah I think as computers continue to underpin our society
become really part of what we are now saying i think is really a digital
nervous system
that underpins our entire economy we ought to be cognizant of the threat of
computer crime computer criminals
you know hacker is unnecessarily in in a popular
you know vernacular a bad thing hackers somebody
who explores in a quest for knowledge bowl was looking assistant see how it
works
life around me really changed me for way my analytical skills
skyrocket was a star programming is more
actually burden and lesbians crazy
and this Washington Street a
work I wonder how these buses were has doors opening an assignment or having a
stink about
I think about your work into it or hacking is expanding the boundaries
is exploring and said exploring the global exploring space exploring the
inner spaces
I've telecommunications networks are the personal computer
and trying to find out what more you can do to crack for someone who takes those
skills
and use them for for ill use them for for bad things
most hackers are above mine in 10 they're just curious
and in those hackers who are destructive for criminal they should be punished
the FBI does track the average you know
white hat hacker we don't have the resources or any interest in doing
we're specifically listed in individuals they're breaking federal law
hacking to me is expressing human drive to know more to go for the day
to experiment that to me is is fundamental
I think the Wild West is the best valid
you're here in an area where laws
never really considered any this and where
new things are happening exciting things are happening we don't know what's right
or wrong exactly
it's a little fuzzy to a white hat hacker is someone who might
sakes for their own company network
to determine how much more about how to protect against up
black at hackers and crackers are those that use that knowledge use their
ability
to make commit crimes in those people the way it should
between the white hat good guys and the black hat bad guys
is a very interesting character known as the grey had unethical vigilante of the
cyber West
although he's not paid for his services like some white hats
the curious grey hat takes it upon himself to hack into computers
and find security holes he then informs the owners have these vulnerable
computers
about the problems to help them prevent any villain is black hats
from later exploiting the holes for unethical for criminal purposes
there individualists have the first degree that's what they are
there the Cowboys there they're out there on the edge of the wild west of
the outlaw world
going out any and trying new stuff
and and seeing where the borders are seeing where the edges like seeing where
you know there be monsters what it what ministers are out there
that's he does and you know you got your white herbs are going out there and try
to ship these guys
is very hard to make this Asian legal or illegal when you're talking hacking
because intent is very much part
or justice system it's very hard know what some reason 10
I understand the government's point to feel I understand that they feel they
need to send a message that
crime can't be tolerated no matter how well-intentioned is
and each I think that in some ways they're unable to look beyond that
message
I don't think that necessarily see the social impact of what they do
and I think that you can't use all models
and rules and apply them to this these new situations they don't buy
him
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as convoluted as its modern-day usage
the dictionary definition of the word hack is either the active coming through
something with quick
unskilled blows for the ability to find a way to manage
a given challenge such as can you hack it
or not how this word transformed into what we know today as the hacker
was not through the computer but through the model train
in 1946 the tech Model Railroad Club was formed at MIT
comprised of engineering students and model train enthusiasts of all ages
the purpose of the club was to challenge and modify the functional design of
model trains
in order to hack a better train they define a hacker
as one who applies ingenuity to create a clever result
called i hack still in existence today
the tech model railroad club: remains proud that it originated the word hacker
and disapproves using the term to represent illegal acts of computer
crimes
in as the term hacker moved from the world of model trains to modern
computers
one of its key evolutionary phases was the telephone 1969
nobody had a computer faking list
was at that time hacking the phones there are no computers fact it was only
the phone system
always been working with electronics spinning around with things
trying different things finding out why things did work on why we work so well
others don't work so well did mostly through experimentation despite round
there
I have not actually been discovered of the Captain Crunch
vessel to Captain Crunch so solicitous covered by the blanket
and that it is just by chance
they happen to play around with the whistle an experiment around what
pressing different roles get different pitch like to try this one
it's not 2600 with perfect pitch
that story's center
but twice serotonin is
used to activate encamped along this is struck
I read and a newspaper article there that
it was now possible for certain cities dial overseas
directly without going to an operator I said gee house after possible
so too little socially Jerry social engineering is intact were basically
what you doing
is your following someone into giving access
to someplace the don't having business be am
this is a technique that a lot of people is not just hack
for example sales guys will use social engineering
for selling is working with people if helping them make the gym
good decision helping them by
so too little social engineering I was having an opportunity to tell me oh you
doubt people's twenty to start
networking oversee senator from there you just to keep both
0 for 4 and the country code in the city code numbers start
you can connect oh wow so I took down mapped out the entire
entire country go to the world not only can I call country
like to experiment around these codes you can find a way words could go to
in scope but have codes that were not published because would
we're getting the satellite systems and phone system so
ship sure phone systems they have their own country Co throws just understanding
other phone system work
hackers have thus been involved with each new technological development
leading to the computer for centuries enjoying the intellectual challenges
have creatively overcoming the limitations of each age
contrary to popular belief when hackers finally did meet modern day computers
they did not intrude upon them they invented them
to those of us who are real hardcore in the computer industry
were hacking was a white to people who hacked away
all night long people usually that didn't have
all computers up there on the didn't have any money but they were University
and they found out that if they stayed up all night long there were some
your son's and they call that hacking because the hacked away
took a program have to get up and try to make it a little better little better
way back in the high slot open government have a computer sunday and he
said it cost as much as a house
I said we'll all live in an apartment I was going to have a computer and even if
it cost me a house
I got a phone call from a friend
well as a group getting together in their interest in things like terminals
I can just design
video terminal work with my phone color TV and spiky type in
and talked with think all the ARPANET the ARPANET was started by the military
in
put the whole bunch campuses across the United States together
so I could actually like Chuck chess on it computer MIT
bent over to computer Stanford some files and over to Berkeley
to other parts of the world long before the internet have to have that's why
don't my hunter milf
and when Alan Tam said their a computer but starting for people with terminal
somethings
I thought copy the short migrate the low chip design and went to the club
so excited about it summer these people were all talking about microprocessors
had some we made it possible to have a computer at a low cost
it came out of a group of people that were kinda liberal thinking about
computers for the people
the whole mentality him for Computer Club was extremely open information
should be
published handed out because basically we work creating stuff that was gonna
move the world for work and we should do are our best to be good contributors to
society in that way
and that's really where that word hacker
originated for a long time technology computer technology digital technology
was the relative hacker alone
people are really into it that was theirs big business
laughed at IBM said that they'll never be a market for more than 20 computers
in the world
a market for that so personal computing was really
created by hackers for hackers and that's what you know we play with this
stuff then business
industry government star as a whole ours money to be made here and they started
taking over
first by commercializing over the last decade
commercialization of the Internet has exploded into a multi-billion dollar
industry
prompting governments to argue that they must control the Internet to ensure the
economy safety
in an international organization named I can
was thus created by the United States government in 1998
based in Marina del Rey Calif I can controls the 13 computers
which manage the domain names over the world
whoever controls these 13 computers controls the World Wide Web
the rest of the world opposed to this United States dominated control if I can
and so it was agreed that the UN would create an international body in 2006 to
run I can
and ensuring equal internet availability to all countries
when the time came to relinquish its power however
the United States Department of Commerce instead declared that the United States
would keep control if I can
indefinitely the United States has since made controversial you serve this
self-declared monopoly on the Internet
such as taking over the country codes for iraq and Kazakhstan
without requiring consent for my the country
the and by asking popular search engines
to hand over private user information and Internet activity patterns
in the Internet is quickly becoming less of a public information sharing network
and more corporate tool for profit and a government tool for control
the hacking skills are gonna become
critical to Liberty in this country
because as as government and industry starts to realize they can use
technology
to shut people down to reduce our liberties the only freedom fighters out
there will be hackers
the next war is not before with bullets and guns and bombs gonna be fought with
co
before the technology with computers
that's how the words before and if you want to preserve liberties in this
country
I don't think it has anything to do with the second member the right to bear arms
the right to bear
computers in
and Beaufort line the term hacking store nowadays has a meaning of
I'm hacking my way in a chopping my way into somebody else's computer
and the newspapers and the media have tried to make action to be a word that
means ok
got it something bad it's a threat was invisible threads you don't know about
there's a lot of like spilt in like come to church here's the Dartmouth and that
we have in
our society today even government p hackers are bad just one of those
church grounds you don't like actors say socrates was a humble Greek philosopher
who debated with patrons in the streets winning every argument yet crediting his
opponents for any insects
that may have arisen he chose not to teach for money
as did the many professional so first serve the time
and yet he was considered by the masses to be the most wise
above all men the Athenian powers however
paranoid over Athens inevitable defeat by the attacking Spartans
concluded that intellectuals like Socrates weakening Athenian society
by undermining its traditional views and values
socrates was arrested on charges
refusing to recognize the official gods have the state
introducing new gods and corrupting
the yen at his trial Socrates insisted that he did not know enough to teach
anybody anything claiming
I am very conscious but I am NOT wise
at all he was sentenced to death
by drinking a cup of poisonous curb called hemlock
which produces a slow death I gradually paralyzing
the central nervous system Socrates would be
his on executioner the philosopher was taken to the nearby jail
where his sentence would be carried out in the comfort of his friends
disciples when he drank the cup hemlock
his friends could not help he consoled
to fear death my friends
is only to think ourselves wise without being wise
for it is to think that we know what we do not know
society is always going to have trouble with people who want to push them
societies are designed around
conformity what hacking is is saying I'm gonna do a different
see what else I can do wanna see where else to go society is never gonna like
that
society will always make laws against and thats
appropriate for society do what I would say it's very important for society
have people were willing to push the envelope
otherwise aside world so hackers are very very important part
techno with how it you have no motivation no growth spec
and yet they pose a threat because
they are breaking the rules they are going to for
that's their job you gotta have a im all for my lifetime was for
we have stopped out so many things that are seeds
creativity in this country a water water teachers will just tell you
don't really have school systems that encourage the children to think of a
problem in what the solution P
no just like 10 fights with you were talkin this chapter use that so we don't
teach thinking as much as we teach
you know rigorous wrote in intelligence is not to fight somebody having a brain
the cam think unseen consider all possibilities and come up with the
the best solution over now intelligences saying the exact same things as everyone
else
you read the same newspaper articles watched see new shows be the same box
and now you can say exactly the same things about how the world works
see although your group it's almost like a privilege we're all the same
where intelligent because I C and you see your Delta so I'm intelligent
and we never really have a real good way of measuring for you
think him putting together and coming up with your own
solutions not we have defined as intelligent we often find is down
and and
in what we see is a growing emerging threat is the professional cybercrime
from the former Soviet Union from places like that where you have an educated
populace
my per starving for many there and so it's not uncommon to find
what are called large programming houses these houses were all these with huge
networks is set up
usually out in the countryside totally non-descript
mostly funded by the Russian mafia types organized crime is very much about
there's a vast conspiracy among financial institutions and government to
hide
degree in the matter packing is going on FBI Secret Service don't want you to
know
how often they're being hacked it would rock people scoff
and now you looking at organizations what used to be
a department that had human beings that actually do the job
and you've replaced it with a department that consist want you human beings who
know how to click on a web page on a server someplace
and fill out a form and any place where you learn
economic situation where you are completely doing these feelings about
the problem you're trying it's all
your basically a porn vid we heard about
the the situation in New York on 9/11
where the ambulances couldn't talk to the police who couldn't talk to the fire
department
you couldn't talk to the FBI because they're all using different radio
systems
then could mean robbery and this is a
massive problem and it's pervasive across
all the federal computing gali decisions reports that rate
security government systems the grades that they assigned to the government
of diesel yes well as a greater concerns have those
interested in stemming the tide of cyber terror is protecting
are power grids the nation's economy its defense
its transportation systems all run entirely dependent
on smaller flows of power fees were disrupted
the economic and the strategic consequences would be simply
incalculable
power for the American systems operate on something called SCADA
system control and data acquisition which means
controls are entirely automated in the case but damn for example
how much water to let through and how much to hold back
and if these controls are played with in some
unfortunate fashion they could well results
build up with too much pressure at a particular area
orkut simply by opening up all the sluices create to flooding
downstream from the dam a lot of gas pipelines
are on the SCADA systems and
simple things like regulation of temperatures
could cause coagulation with them pipelines
or automated scrubbers working inside the pipelines the claim could be used
instead to block the pipelines causing
are some kinda rupture you you have to remember now that over ninety percent of
all military communications go over civilian systems
in the military for example we have two extremely highly automated systems
marries up equipment and troops being moved halfway around the world
synchronized swimming if either of those systems were intruded upon by hackers
and disrupted the delays that could be caused in the physical world
could run in weeks to up to a month
in a place like the Korean Peninsula soul is already an artillery range from
the north
and some slowing down reinforcements coming to the peninsula
that would make a very big difference you know the
interesting case is the case it took place in Australia
ago %uh somebody hacked
the sewage treatment system and they were able to actually cause
raw sewage overflows and %uh so it it cost some
fireman damn incense real life or kill and
I'm
wireless networking is almost the poster child
from a computer security standpoint other technologies it's extremely cool
that has suddenly become extremely pervasive
and as a result has been a security simply capturing
wavelengths around these various wireless hot spots that are being
created again for efficiency sake
it's also creating magnets to trauma
hackers would get inside our systems an airline had
curbside check in for wireless and this allowed anybody
in margin love that airport have access to internal system
they're lying with wireless access points if someone can pull up from your
house
with the computer they can do pretty much anything they want
announce an Internet for their terrorist they could be untraceable
deterrence groups are beginning to look at the possibilities of cyber terror
but they have to make a decision about whether to
develop their own cyber terror capabilities
were to recruit others from the outside some other people affiliated with the
a Madrid train bombings they had actually free the telephone system make
free phone calls
prior to the to the bombings most of the hardcore terrorist groups out there
certainly the ones that I monitor have no interest at all in
hiring outside akers because at the security risks that they entail
it was pay a lot of attention to was discovered that the outbreak ok I'll
they group that had your sarin gas and talk tokyo's subway
was in the software development business and that they were developing software
for japanese business firms
including Japanese government and that they could put
back doors internet software in them
exploit those so they're trying to develop their own cyber terrorists from
within their ranks someone who's already a radical
they want to turn into a hacker
there are about five or six different cyber wars going on
around the world today the new the
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yah here's a cyber jihad going on
along with the intifada palestine against
the israelis with a great deal attacks upon
I'm information infrastructures and the other example cyber wars coming out of
chechnya
this is one of those cases that we have to be extremely
mindful love because there's a lot of information moving from the church
chance to al Qaeda and its other affiliates
I I think something else that we need to be concerned about the possibility of
terrorist
creating an incident like a power outage that's going to put people out on the
streets on foot
and then marry that attack up with
biological ok salt of some sort some kind of like
military would call this combined arms approach so physical attack
that would come along with the virtual attack if you as a hacker
brought down emergency services in the area
and then destroyed a nuclear power plant the affected destroying the nuclear
power plant would be far greater
that if 911 working then if emergency services work
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I don't know how much time we have left
before the radical develops the skills
from the hacker before the gap between the two
Isner I only know that it's not a great deal of time and as I look around
I see very little effective preparation for this threat
I think those in hacker community
realize that I have a respect for
their skills for what they do and therefore further
ability to help us in the current conflict that were in
realize that global terror network's rely
inordinately on the web and that to coordinate their operations so they are
in a unique position to help us in the war on terror
we should be cultivating
you know there's a guy who had Yahoo AOL Time Warner MCI Worldcom Microsoft and
very famous Lee the new york times and that's just a few of his axe
Adrienne Lallo most celebrated hackers in the world to back do you define
yourself attacked you consider yourself back
it's not a term that try to tell myself yeah people is hacker me a lot of
different things
and I really just do what I do it's not limited to computers I really don't know
attacking I think areas are really example a guy
with very strongly held
believes
is ethical scheme may not match societies or other people's
but he believes that and he's living up to his own ethical precepts
and you can admire a guy like that he's almost so far when it comes to
cracking any company hears common brand name pretty much
had a router with worldcom had never got to do worldcom was managed by worldcom
they went there to be highly secure they manage traffic for individual bank
branch's potentially even for ATM devices
worldcom used their employees Social Security numbers
as identifiers certificate committees employee numbers
the password also worked hard some have random
of a Mac passwords with some other companies that you do business with
every day
had passwords that were simple dictionary words games the animals can
you have company is on one hand page
millions of dollars for this network infrastructure and they can't even be
bothered to think that password
by combining the style numbers and the logins
anyone and win it all this information
could have connected to each and every router that handle the data for
bankamerica forward Chrysler
nasa they're very detailed routing pasley I could see
held the Goddard Space Center talk to nasa headquarters
really in just the course for a few hours
anybody could have gone through and turn them all of network connectivity
for a huge chunk of corporate America and for the government we've just gone
away
anybody thinking about it should be scared but possibly if
just have a horrible lest anybody that could have used information
you don't need to be a programmer you don't have to be a technical wizard
because I from payphone nobody would ever know
cialis responsible for and he would find the flaws and notify the companies to
have the flaws in line with a lot of other hackers they have this journal
2600 all promote we've got the ethical hackers
you're gonna be on our best site if you go out abuse this the wrong way
which means the destructive or you can use it for your own personal game to
make profits and all that there are these guys and they call themselves hope
for
in the truth is that the media wants to portray these guys as hell
hackers because that makes them more interesting because the media doesn't
have a very good story
if they go and say well this is borderline sociopath Adriana Lima
breaks into these corporations in order to professionally humiliate
the people responsible for managing the networks and then for some reason he
expects us to
thank him for that you consider yourself on a mission to to to get these
companies to realize that they have
for secure I don't consider it my responsibility to reform security in the
world as we know it
I I think if anything on a mission to be in the right place at the right time
most hackers when they're trying to hack into something they'll
have all kinds of programs that they're on there's
things that are called exploited
Adrian just go through a web page
and start cooking around a little bit and I'll send
use at some sensitive company information
I'm just the fact that he uses a web browser from Kinkos
up never seen use anything other so
browser Adrian never damaged
any company had any dealings with me
never ask for money never asked for anything
the companies that he helps his just a consequence
what he does he doesn't wake up in the morning say
I'm going to go hack so-and-so or I'm gonna help so-and-so
it is finds himself some place looking at some information thanks
you know this people might wanna close this down so the people
happen here if I can get it here to
he is a good example of a guy who live on the fringes of society
didn't want to be part of mainstream society wanna hold down a job in wanna
go to college
he wanted to explore we call you the home attack because you don't have a
residents that you live in all the time you reference estate houses I
as there have a long-term tenzin move around I've been limit more stable
lately but I want employees and an had in fact within 72 SCA
on for about six months or so and I was working consistently the time I have the
opportunity to save up money
I realize grant was cheaper and let me see more of the world
and I started going places probably from when I was
18 or 19 until 22 if it's a three or four years
I would decide they want to visit some places that sits at my entire life and
my back
I just wonder ouch and find myself never coming back in with nine to a new city
is spoke to it must have been a sense of wonderment that
the people that stated new and for the first time must've felt
I do it because it's where doing what comes naturally to me
in an environment that I'm in I notice things not follow up on them
I of me people to live places their whole lives and finding terribly boring
because
they were raised their only one know when we have seen it
at this place at stuck in there like at Earth and
they're often amazed just by my sense of wonderment at many other places around
them
of my ability to just walk around
and find summers uniqueness about it that
they've lived with every day and never really noticed before
I had very low expenses for a lifetime thank you
live on less than 50 bucks we kinda box week if I had to and figured now would
end up somewhere
where I knew nobody in had nowhere to go and their contents that's up to him and
the building's
and thats is just as important to me because at the centre improbability
sense newness of uniqueness as
any network never compromise because again it's another layer of things that
you don't usually see
trying to find locations also sends a traffic
and thats are likely not have anybody
coming around the stream evening on sometimes I've used
extraction sites that's were active during the day
at night were rather be secure
as long as they get out before business hours this gives me an idea
one last time my you well even
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load up for the chair says doesn't have a line of sight doer
that way if it was going to walk in first thing this out when
me getting time react their presence
that were seen better days but of it's also bright side because they don't have
Alliance a
for that works on the way I'm an ideal leave to verify had
now if parents were always be be on some someone's have
if it's a choice between not enough
things thing here I'm sorry which is here
a it a meeting at the news for some time
its a credible source in CA
reads Yahoo News texas won first place is a few hours post
but they're page for editing news stories
was successful it didn't require a password their car
indication in tell you hey this is a private page please don't use it
it was just there I think the first thing I did was
at the punctuation on the abbreviation of US
on their front page hands I was just floored
I reload the page in posted I found a story about
demetrius Clara of a Russian programmer
charged here in the United States based on some softer the produced
legitimate software with legitimate purposes that allows a user to bypass
password protection on protected the books that would allow them to bypass
the restrictions that
are placed on that content the penalties that they had in mind former there is
enough
so I added a line stating thats who is eligible for the death penalty
hands added an additional one
comes to ever told them that through so set them free with obviously in gross
the unfamiliar with federal law
the NSA's the anti thats tasked with
monitoring electronic communications throughout the world I figured some you
have to notice this
days for week went by nobody ever did
they had an option that allowed chain stock tickers
I cliff made Microsoft's stock reflects the values for x8 home
journalism is a great venue for truth but it's dangerous
when people accept it so blindly I had this access
through September 2001 and I found myself sitting
looking at Yahoo News at all the servers that they had added to keep up
with the millions of hits on the morning at September 11th
and did anyone wanted to they could have changed
any aspect that story
afters September 11 head change
hardly knows all about me know that but mister look at things like give me a lot
of things differently
and our security being with him and I knew that ahead
certain skill that I could play to
help secure the government secret lives surgery it's a general understanding
within a graphic
community that email saying
any type communication government officials were
military most the time don't listen to our warnings
I first read inform the government years back goes
15 16 17 finally 18 19
asking anything happening right to take next
and basically a deceptive dual was created in order to
took the Expos dollar-billion critical information
infrastructure
and by doing that me forced and secure their systems
or make our country more secure but right be speaking
whether the most initial steps was
targeting we had acquired the most likely target you know for terrace where
the recreate the scenario as real as possible way
how to play out as a two secretaries attacks all we did was we target is
certain
government and military agencies Navy the Army
pentagon we exposed specifically documents that we shouldn't have in the
first place
we did was legal yes all midday we access to computer at your permission
but does a the whole point you know we need to do that we need
recreate terrorists in area now why these networks wanna getting
internet-connected through firewall to to some other network it so people can
send email you go to the
systems administrators you say which systems can you
never forget have go down and they'll say the mainframe okay
so the mainframe must be segregated
and everybody goes well the only to get to the main frame from their desktops
okay then you're saying the security
perimeter around that mainframe has to encompass these desktops right yep sure
okay well then those desktop should not be connected to the Internet while
people read their email
well the the simple answer there is
you have to make and intelligent and rational decision
is it more important that people be able to read your email
or is it more important to that system the inviolable
and tamper-proof it has the answer is that that system really has to be kept
safe
it's the control system for nuclear reactor its
the stock exchange its whatever the answers bill to networks
we would happen to me sees and they'd know about I was too because we do face
the wrong page they fix their home page to put their original content backup
yet their ship the whole was still open the Boehner bill you still there They
feel to passion because we performed follow-up test
to ensure efficiency we go
turns emails turns emails for supporters
saying that you know they you doing what we're doing you're looking to be called
Patriots wearin
looking to be recognized as something like that you know we just wanted to do
what we did
years people because Patriots but you know
referred to is is just texted
just people having worked
for nonprofit as long as I did I saw a lot of people
that went in really energized about what they did
excited feel like they're doing something that they were good
they can make a difference aunt came out a couple years later
burned out from having to take something that they loved and
had it the other day job day after day no longer being something that they
enjoy
instead had to go to work and do really no compensation will be worth that for
me
in 1962
desmond morris published his book the biology of art
which details his experiments teaching chimpanzees to paint
the chimps enjoyed painting immensely and eagerly created works if energetic
colors and strokes
one phase of Morse's experiment involved rewarding the chance for producing their
paintings
whenever a champ ain't it he received a payment
surprisingly though very soon the quality of the paintings began to
generate until the chimps produced the bare minimum
that would satisfy the experimenter any joy found in the active painting
was lost as the champs uncaring Lee slapped
pain on their campuses and ran to collect their penis
you just doing as you like we always like this me as a kid you doing
I'm as a kid in like goodgreat I would 62 teachers garbage cans to see when the
fire drills were coming up in my pop quizzes were
that sort of thing it gave me a sense
of the system and I and have it was going to school as it operated around me
in ways that would otherwise never see normally I would you see the effect
these things
I'll fire alarms ringing here I know is planning for this they have meetings
happens and so-and-so dates for a reason farrakhan's aren't it does me no good
know this but still fast
dumpster diving is the art and science sifting through other people's trash
they frequently go into it but the sense we target day
look for a company that they're interested in or they look for
a target rich environment an area that contains lots of interesting
corporations that may have
comment and stir the company's share building I don't go into dumpster diving
with the sense that I'm gonna come away with something that will help you with a
particular target or particular project
people throughout things for the damndest reasons and I never know what I
want
find when my dads wireless microphones
here's the video production and that's playing and when his wireless mic's
I heard a scream and it was a child scream
and Internet as a thing to a baby monitor from a nearby house
that fact that this device here
in 10 if something completely different could bring to me
just through the air invisibly sounds and experiences that were going on
in a house across the bloc was really amazing to me
test the sense that you know those things intended for one thing but look
what it can do
a baby that's born wants to explore Brenda baby couple days old you can clap
your hands
their head kinda goes your direct building with I want find out about the
world
sheik future it baby around I feel its muscles their point different places
the baby legal right over and 18 touchdowns in the house let him touch
concealed weapons or them feel what things can fall occasionally something
breaks
I believe in that I think we're our brain watch the have experiences
into work how the world is constructed an expert for growing up
why should we get it think we're the guides we will let discrete
develop of no let much more come out
on the surface it looks just like this year rock face
as you walk towards it it becomes apparent is small on the ground
and somebody prior to us had spray painted a red Aero
on the wall above it pointing down hands
well in the area South legal walk by glance at the airline to sort of shrug
and I like to think that it's there for the people who look at their own wonder
what's pointing at would take the time at their day
to step forward have a closer look yeah I have ended up in some free advertising
that the measure crime tonight
that the entrance to the mines was probably the most in closed space center
had to navigate
on the way and you have to make your mind up ahead of time whether you want
your arms
above your waist or below it because once you're calling you not to mail to
change this honor from
it easy to be paranoid because many of the upper level deflated
and you have the sense if countless
thousands millions of gallons of water all sitting above you
9 that the slightest thing to bring it all down it continues and a grant where
most impressed fixture that I got to do with the underground leak
Lakers perfectly still night ripple it's not silent as constant dripping erection
liar depending on where you are
but if you like goes out total darkness and
haven't been in the dark its sort of hard to appreciate the center total
darkness
have having your eyes wide open hands not being able to see a damn thing
yanking your backup you think it up
I didn't go out with the intention of compromising New York Times
as initially looking at something else and somehow got sidetracked York Times
day had a lot of information that was accessible to anybody that cared
restaurant for their internal system password
by default was the last four digits social security number
and nobody ever changed people feel like social security numbers
are these no private secret things
every knows out the anybody that wants one can get one for
really was dishonest sign up for its services to give them just couple
pennies
myself for 274 6804 anybody
get it's not a big deal from there had lifted
after the New York Times culture in the late nineteen nineties
for anyone who was involved in stuff to do with the web was
here's this wonderful medium by which we can publish anything we want to
so what we're gonna do it would take her discovery published
because we're dealing with high-tech you get the freedom information advocates
ago
you know it's good this information must be published but to the guy in the field
discover again and got blown this could be
a bullet in the back of your neck
this is serious stuff and their allies it stay and
because me Americans tree high-tech is a toy
you'll take this stuff before you seriously just treated like it's
something that we can
change after we've made profound mistakes I think that's a really good
illustration of competing mindsets where people believe
that legislation somehow makes things secure legislation is fiction
it's up to people to believe in it before it will be effective
as a news organization they should have known that social security numbers are
not private
mean nothing even remotely personally identifiable should be used as a login
or as authentication or anything like that ever I gained access
to their subscriber database to address is the billing information
former presidents actors other politicians
people that are actually relevant if you believe in the whole
international stage sorry about that
space to come on which inning Cubs I recognize that there is possibility
consequences back really
I don't think that it's one of those things where consequences can be a
deterrent because it it's my nature it's what comes naturally to me I think it's
what comes naturally to a lot of people
and I just figured that now while I'm doing it as you do in a way that
president Sata
anyone went up doing something similar to what I do might be in a situation
where they can contact company and company can say
you know that's why things happened before and maybe we don't have put in
jail and going to be okay anyway
at an impasse and it's something that's I really don't think I could stop being
effect right
even in a prison cell I would find ways to
finds discrepancies and anomalies in the system whatever it is a system may be
there
richard fineman winner of the Nobel Prize in Physics
was renowned for his adventurous antics in the world of science
in 1942 fine was invited to be a part of oppenheimer's manhattan project at los
alamos
there he helped develop the first atomic bomb
confined to the base during this top secret mission
fineman conquered his boredom and relieve his stress by learning to pick
the locks of his colleagues safes and filing cabinets
the safes and filing cabinets contained all the secrets
up the Manhattan Project everything about the atomic bomb
fineman felt Los Alamos a very cooperative place where everyone was
encouraged to point out things that should be improved
so he approached a colonel with this problem he explained the weakness of the
locks which was that so long as anyone left to say for filing cabinet open
it was very easy for someone else to examine the open lock
and discover the combination finding recommended that the kernel write a memo
insisting that everybody in los alamos keep their safe in cabinets locked even
during the workday
because they were very vulnerable when open the kernel posted a memo
but to find and surprise instead of warning the staff to keep their saves
locked during the day
he instructed them to change the combination on their saves
because fineman could hack into them and thus he himself
was the danger
it has been a long day on I A
yeah track down myself and I was told him ringing off the hook
my mother alluded to three cars currently parked
staggered along the block on i'm concerned.
I'm i'm concerned. probably a little bit paranoid as I think comments and I'll be
at my place
and I A don't have a clear idea
of what morning will bring other than that %uh public for better or for worse
find out more
and have to make some decisions there is a big story
just breaking now a little earlier today I got a phone call from a production
crew
actually somebody from Kevin Spacey's trigger Street production right
Dana Brunetti a call me up and say we've got a film crew
doing a documentary on hacking and they have been following around a guy named
Adrian llamo you may remember a dream on right he doesn't steal information
doesn't take any
anything use it for bad his is a good actor so that when you said that they
want to have a were ready they actually have a warrant for your arrest right now
that is a cracked
yes they have a federal that point
out New York City and you know the charges are eager
I've done it nobody saying anything but I have reason to believe
that they relate to a criminal complaint was made by the New York Times relating
to my publicized intrusion into their systems last year
it to be a surprise having the story was thinker
to certain I V on my part I just didn't know that you take on so much momentum
II think I misjudged the public mind in that respect because to me
the axis worldcom being able to essentially and infrastructure from
to the most powerful companies in the world that was important phone number
for
now rush limbaugh the not so much what do you do with that but again
people are obsessed with celebrities less work play free long without work as
a link on the page
requires absolutely no criminal intent
on the part the person doing it requires no conscious effort to intrude
requires no technical skills you're going to a website hands
as much as anybody might want to argue thats
because the website contain confidential information that it itself was
confidential
just a silly fact remains that it was a public website
for practical standpoint you cannot play database on the net where they can
access it no protections
no indication it's confidential hands
expect nobody's going to access it the consequences
varmas arrest was very simple it means now that computer hackers going to be a
lot less
inclined to point out system funds
but they discovered we're going to keep them to themselves not been willing to
report the security flaws
means the security flaws could be discovered by other people
like al-qaeda terrorists or anything like that
they're certainly not to let the company know a broken in their system they're
gonna keep it quiet
do what they can explained to the best their ability
that of course is bass so
its important for company to not prosecute somebody for
finding of honor system they should reward them
some people will argue that New York Times
here bring your case against at the New York Times you know instead embraced
amounts at all thank you for telling us about
the problem for and you know here will maybe we'll even pay you for your
services
that I'm very much against area i think is a very accomplished actor
who from very interesting ethical point of view said I'm not gonna hide my
activities
I am you know area I'm sure was is competent enough
to not have been caught but he net at no point did he try to hide what he was
doing
back from an coming from a philosophical and ethical perspective that I have a
lot of respect for
are you are you free are you afraid Adrian I'm worried and you have
questions there's always beer
I'm saying they had to come to this I think they've been done better
I think that in your tent conducted itself better but I'd
it better people that white house security and it's really bad for the
company
to get into the pond because I believe down a lot support he's not the guy
should be worried about the guy should be worried as a guy who was working for
the Mafia
who is you will never know about you'll never hear about the guy he doesn't post
in chat rooms he doesn't put his name in the code
he doesn't say what school he goes to doesn't do a shout out to his peeps
in the virus code he's doing stuff cleverly
and successfully and you never hear about that stuff because frankly
catcher if you're the new york times or something like this:
it really moguls and breaks in your network when he calls you up in his
I found a way to break into your network and I'll tell you how to do it
of course I'm also gonna tell the press about this
right now what effect is that gonna on the network managers job it is to keep
that network secure
you think he's gonna be overwhelmed with gratitude you think this guy is gonna be
popping champagne corks and going
wahoo Adrian lamo came and helped my network it better
this guy is gonna probably lose his job and
I hope that the people out there who ir
considering questions about the on not whether people that want criminalize
curiosity stop
doing what they want to hear to achieving the goal before this decade is
out
landing a man on the moon and returning him safely to the earth
in my view hackers today are
the latter-day equivalence German rocket scientists at the end of world war two
until May 8 1945 for Navan Brown and his colleagues were trying to drop missiles
British American troops as soon as the war was over
they became our boys as many of them as we could get
and I developed ballistic missiles rockets our ability to go to the mall
was dependent upon them they were treated as heroes when I was
growing up and in the nineteen fifties wanna run Brown was
was migrates hero I really didn't pay attention to what he was doing when he
was fighting against us
well today we have to look at these hackers and see that even though they do
some malicious things
they have a knowledge that's extremely important or security
are to our safety and our ability to confronts
terror I think government's real challenge right now
is to bring them on the inside to help train our own information specialist to
work to track
terrorist organizations frankly we could on
all the master hackers in our country
mom for half the price for advanced fighter jet
so we're not talking about much cost we need to recruit these people we need to
use them
they're americans to are patriots to they can help win this war on terror
they count more than a carrier battle group quite frankly
unfortunately we have
much different relationship between governments and hackers today than we
had between governments and those German rocket scientist
nearly sixty years ago we have in fact a poisonous relationship in which a hacker
can do more hard times in an armed felons he would do stuff like
call
telephone line crew support number and say I i'm
so and so on here on a call also common entrance test circuit you
reroute this year to make this particular change
and it's amazing how effective is kinda tax are
he recorded a voice note his boys won the PISA nobel
and then what happened is he had placed a fake phone call engineers
hey you know just leave with passcode on my voice mail well they then called back
his voicemail
confirmed that it was him by hearing the same voice
so they had no problem to leave those passcodes on their
so it's just one of those things that were you tricking people your your
outsmarting them
whether reporters john markoff essentially
invented the method kevin Mitnick and aggrandizement
crimes and his mess and the upshot was that mimic went from being
another relatively low profile case to being a top priority for the FBI
and that's why the reasons the end up in custody without bail without trial for
as long as he did
you could've be a prison guard over the head less
periods of time so you can't I'm he did
when Kevin was in prison he was kept away from payphones
that they weren't afraid he was going to hack a voicemail system are
open prison doors they were afraid he is going to whistle
missile launch codes they felt that
is dangerous enough that just of top of his head he could dial the modem
whistle the appropriate towns need to connect muscle the appropriate codes to
launch nuclear missiles
on in many ways his civil rights were violated
by a court system energy day legal system
just didn't know what to do with them they were terrified of him
they were free letting him go cuz they were free they didn't know what he could
do
what they did to him was criminal I think even they would admit now that
they went too far
we're in a certain time right now that we're things
I'm completely ironed out when it comes to larceny
I C government officials alarm
just being completely this happens because they're misinformed or they
don't have enough information
in hackers I think they're more open to it developing
relationship to the government over and using happenin
its they have to do is to go up first
that I was gonna be really because we serve covert communications between each
other
me in been startin members do response check in with each other
every day no matter wat to make sure that we can get really because we knew
we were in your reviews
you know exactly when to finally we can came into being and he'd income 19
and from there to suspicion and
stayed up all night cousin Eureka
you wanna be reviewing and sent from my computer way into the early knocked on
door as I suspected
and the demand on it my sister
mean I love my mind time she didn't know
was going on and a first use PS because you really understand what's going on
she didn't know the whole story
far as you read around inch she began to realize the
you have some real intentions in true motives I think she has
source or any within knowing find good fight
went to trial comes with a I think really me some very good points
and us hope we turn things change I think people realize said
you know that these guys are having something good me
in
thank definitely feel the group was successful because
at feel that accomplished go I set out to do was
which was to you to secure you our nation's critical infrastructure as much
as I could
in the position I was in and
with up to help you know voting continue nope it situation is not for me
in
I was sitting in the rec room and in the news came out on the TV
about me being arrested in and showing up
lot pock and everybody that around some here
so everybody knew that I was who I was and that was
where I actually and approached by some underground mafia type
who really wanted me to show them how to detect whether funds being tapped
gave them bogus information give by he was a plan
by the police but he did not know is that fact that he actually
going out there verified that the information I was given him was true or
not
and then they came back in they
beat the holy crap outta me really I was really screwed up really bad
I mean if ruptured disc in my lower back yes I couldn't walk for weeks at a time
never was a second physically ever again at that point and found that the guards
know that I got beat up
then my life in prison viewed as a snitch
you don't want to have a snitch jacket when you're in jail a special year in
jail for the bottom of it typed
the white step the next day in terms as message that this sends
I believe that they're well-intentioned in line to prevent crime one
prevent damage but in the way they're going about it
I believe thats ultimately
it's not going to achieve the goals that they think it well
is certainly strikes a blow against openness it strikes a blow
against people's ability stumble across something reported in good faith
I'm not a saint and what I did with legal matter how
well-intentioned I did it but the fact that
whether essentially saying is that it doesn't matter if you come clean
doesn't matter if you don't profit doesn't matter if he'd do no damage
doesn't matter if you cooperate
it doesn't matter if you discourage others from doing harm
we're still gonna come after you was that these people with
my of
thing after another watch then why exercise restraint
why exercise good faith why be honest
but I hoped and believed that I could do it in a way
that to set precedents that would allow people
come forward in good faith to try and do the right thing let the belief that
maybe millets did matter that it wasn't all black and white
I think this is symptomatic
something that we see our government today in many ways they're eliminating
shades of grey
they want to polarize people its important
to international agenda today to see good guys and bad guys
because as soon as we start to believe
that maybe it's not all black and white somebody can do wrong for a good reason
that not every action applies inherently infallible
expects a very dangerous precedent for the government wat once operate today
on the other hand I believe this is positive
because it places a certain amount of stress on the system inhabit
it makes it much more difficult for people to remain neutral it forces them
to polarize
and when that happens systems tend to evolve
ultimately I think it will be a little better place on
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