Our next talk up is UFO's and U.S.
Government, so let's give him a big hand.
RICHARD THIEME: Okay.
18 years of DEF CON.
It is a long time.
And you are suppose to do the politician thing like oh, hi, Mark.
No babies here.
They're DEF CON kids.
This talk is going to be tweaked for the DEF CON context
because I want it to be not only what it is.
And I am completely out of the closet now
on the subject of Ufology.
You had to be careful along the way.
There was once a reporter columnist for the "Washington Post" who called
me up and said, what are the companies you have worked for?
I love reading your stuff.
I told him some of the bigger names.
You know, the ones you float.
Then the column appeared and it was really kind
of about how crazy can you be before companies like this
will stop hiring you.
(Laughter) This could have a powerful impact on your career
and your life when all you have is your word and your reputation.
So I met him in Washington, we had lunch.
And we discussed the implications of that.
He had gone over the line a little bit by misinterpreting something I wrote
about Ufology and about a friend at NSA who I quoted directly
without approving what he said is accurate.
He said, they're here.
They're here.
Now our task, he said, is to figure out how they got here.
And then he starts speculating.
And I said these are speculations.
And that's what was reported as if I had said it was fact.
We don't know.
We don't even know what "they" means.
And this book, UFO's
and Government: A Historical Inquiry, is not primarily about aliens
or crop circles or abductions or any of the craziness that you have blended,
truth, half truth and flat out lies on cable TV.
And the whole UFO domain of myth and mythology.
What it's about primarily is the second word government.
It's about how the government responded
to a phenomena which compelled them to respond
by its intellectable manifestation in their faces and the reports
from credible people beginning in World War II, which
is when we kind of mark the modern era.
Because there had been reports many years prior to that and
in the last century that sound suspiciously like UFO reports did
in the middle of the Twentieth Century and forward.
But we could no longer ignore them because the military imperative
and I was trying to show in an brief way
the national security concerns that the phenomena raised for them
after World War II when the national security state was
in fact just beginning.
The OSS migrating into the CIA and many other instantiations and
the kind of world in which we live, which
is now get some publicity because of the Snowden affair,
as we call it, is the world that was really beginning then.
And how the government responded to the phenomena set policies,
deliberated, argued, competed within its many different parts.
Because there's no one government.
There was CIA and there was Navy and there was Airforce and there was
the Executive Branch and the White House, and all kinds
of competing points of views trying to deal with this thing which challenged
people in a complex and puzzling way and above all would not go away.
So they had to respond.
And the way they would choose to respond, you
will see even though I could only hit the highlights because our book
is 600 pages and it has nearly 1,000 citations in it.
It is the only book on the subject recommended
by the journal CHOICE which does that for all academic and university libraries
because it is an exception to the dreary field which is not
as painstaking, as rigorous, as academically solid
as this team effort was, which took five years to create.
I'll say a little bit more about that.
You will see what was said about the phenomena was very similar
to what Clapper said to congress a few weeks ago
under questioning when asked if we vacuumed up or collected
the communications of the American people.
And he said, no.
And, when he was accused of lying, he did not admit that he had lied.
He said that he had told the least untruthful thing
he could say in public.
(Laughter) That's what happens to the weasel words
of the English language as they are used and misused
and intentionally used for deception and disinformation.
The fact is he lied.
By normal human standards, those of us who live out here,
we outsiders out here some of you are insiders so you know more
intimately what I mean, but you can't say that you do,
so you will act like outsiders out here for the purposes
of this talk, right?
So let's get to it.
First of all, I want to acknowledge too that DEF CON has
shifted in the 18 years I've been coming and speaking here.
There were a few hundred the first time.
There are, I don't know 14, 15,000 probably this time.
But what I noticed I asked the other packed room: How many are
here for the first time?
An awful lot of hands went up.
How many here more than five years?
Not very many.
That means the context that I take for granted because I am a silverback.
I can't hide that either.
I'm out of the closet as a deranged old man wandering
around the CON as somebody tweeted just two years
ago during one of my talks.
(Laughter) But he did add, nevertheless, he's still belting
out some pretty heavy ideas.
Which I appreciated despite the dementia which was
obviously in evidence.
The part of the brain that was functional was still somehow able to ideate,
and I thanked him for that.
But it is the marker.
Two years after they started here a reporter
in England said I was a father figure for online culture.
Ten years later a hacker said change that
to grandfather.
Then ten years later I'm a deranged old man.
Those who find that amusing, that will be your destiny as well.
I just warn you in advance those dots
will also connect for you.
Okay.
So let me establish the context.
I use to refer to books then I found out nobody read them anymore.
So I started going to movies.
When I referred to HAL and a hacker said "Who is HAL?"
I realized I couldn't even use "2001."
That's a movie by Stanley Kubrick as a point of reference.
When I was driving a young man over here from a hotel I asked him how
he liked Vegas.
And it was his first trip.
And he said, I don't know how Vegas got here.
How did this town get built?
I said, do you not know anything about the history of Vegas?
And he said, no.
So all I could think of was movies.
See "Bugsy," "Casino."
Then read Kitty Kelly's biography of Frank Sinatra and you got
the whole thing.
But see "Casino."
Only the names have been changed to protect the guilty.
In this talk see "Chinatown."
If you don't know the great flowering of golden Hollywood movies
in 1970 look it up on Wikipedia.
It will be mostly accurate.
And one of the movies that will be celebrated is "Chinatown."
Robert Towne's great onus.
Look at how the end they wanted to change it.
It was rejected because it was not real.
A Chinatown moment is that kind of moment that you have when you
realize, has that package been inspected?
(Laughter) AUDIENCE MEMBER: (No microphone.) (Applause) RICHARD
THIEME: At my age it goes too quickly to the brain.
I better not.
But thank you for offering.
Appreciate it.
Okay let's get into the talk.
China town moments are moments when you realize things are not what
they seem.
They really are not what you thought they were.
You may think you know what you are dealing with, Mr. Gidious said,
know across the embodiness of evil, but believe me, sir you don't.
There are moments and this is the silverback part,
as I have aged where you wander into those zones of shadow
and annihilation of the belief system you have built
which is a more optimistic one about how things actually work.
That, for example, Snowden sacrifice of his life as it will turn
out to be perhaps.
I mean, he will be killed.
You don't need to kill people.
My good friend Gary Webb took his own life with his reputation,
credibility and career were destroyed when he wrote an article
about the CIA contra and crack cocaine that was in the main 98 percent correct,
but which he was forced to retract.
That is his editor retracted it and he was fired A.
Pulitzer prize winning reporter.
Ten years later the word was, of course, we did a lot of that.
Because the longer you get from the deed,
the less accountability there is.
So congress will adjourn.
There can be headlines today and congress
will adjourn and they'll come back in five or six weeks and there
will be some other issue on the burner and not
all that much will change.
People in power just wait it out.
Just wait it out.
And freedom of speech is a bleeder valve to enable us
to believe that we are having an effective response
to the things that so perplex us.
But when that speech becomes actionable, that's when you better look
out, that's when you become a whistle blower or a traitor.
All right.
That's relevant as the context in which this deception
and disinformation project took place.
UFO's in Government is above all a historical inquiry.
It is a work of history.
It looks at how the government responded
from the 1940s forward.
Michael Sorens was the lead writer.
Michael is a brilliant man who has been writing really good scholarship
about this suspect.
A professor at Western University, a PhD in the history
of technology and science.
He's written great quality articles to show it is respectable in this field.
I was invited to join this project I think by a wing and a prayer.
Details don't matter, but I found myself in the group.
The thought it was going to plan some white papers
and wound up planning this entire book.
And it took five years to put the book together.
After we met, we didn't meet again until the book was complete.
It was all done over the internet.
Chapters would go to and fro.
There's no chapter allowed to this one or that one.
We all participated in the creation of the 600 page historical record.
The top three names you see Clas, Vicente and Bill are experts
in their countries Sweden and Spain, pioneered in the use of freedom
of information act to get documents
from the government they claimed did not exist
and which did exist.
He did that in the 70s when he had a chance he knew
in 1980 when Reagan was elected that was the end of FOIA.
As it is.
I've had friends both at FBI and Interpol tell me you are never
going to get what you request because we file it
under different names and other file folders so we can tell you honestly
there's nothing in that file because it's cross referenced
under different codes.
So it's not going work the same way anymore.
And you will be charged, what, ten bucks a page
to duplicate 8,000 pages.
I was included by sheer good fortune.
Jan Aldrich, the head of projects 1947, which you can find on the web
with a lot of documentation.
A former intelligence man.
When you look at the book there will be a signing.
I will just say that afterwards at the vendors thing.
But the book is available in print or as a PDF file from Google books.
But not for pads or kindles.
Jan kept us honest.
We were drawing all the organizational charts
and communication systems because he would say this one don't
talk to that one he talks to that one.
So we had it all documented and correct.
Steve arranged for a million permissions
and didn't include the pictures for which we couldn't.
It's full of photographs of people and things.
So that's what the book is.
We're proud of it.
I can speak with such pride because it was everybody else's work
that made it such a splendid achievement.
First let's start with what a UFO is not.
Tabloid UFO fires on Louisville, Kentucky police chopper,
two cops survive.
That is not what we mean by the word UFO.
People project what they think we mean as aliens
and this and that.
That's not what we mean.
We mean unidentified flying object.
But to our knowledge they did not fire on Louisville,
Kentucky police choppers.
And to our knowledge as this man claims space aliens drained
my blood and filled my blood with a fluid.
Indeed a steel worker or any of us would be shaken
by having their blood drained and replaced
with a yellow fluid especially if it is a mysterious yellow fluid
the purpose of which we just do not know.
And if it was done by aliens.
And on top of it an alien that looked like that sketch which was made
from his description.
Shaken is just the beginning of our response to that experience.
(Laughter) So the poor steel worker probably lives
in Akron, Ohio on to this day and will tell you his story.
But that isn't what we mean by UFO's.
Unfortunately we don't mean this either.
This was a great picture from Paul Trent a farmer
in McMinnville, Oregon.
He took two pictures around 1950ish, late 40s, of this object
he said which appeared over his farm.
He took two and I'll show you both of them.
They look pretty good.
The debunkers did everything they could to show it was false and
they couldn't falsify it.
Then the number of pages and work and effort dedicated
to it was extraordinary.
That's the first of two photos.
This is a few newspaper clippings.
And what you see in the sky are photo one on the right,
photo two on the left.
Tilted differently on the left.
He was just a farmer.
I talked to the people actually you go to great lengths.
People who buried him and knew him all his life and said
he always said this what's he had seen.
This what's he photographed.
And then this came in from France.
First it was said 54.
Then '57.
When you are following the Providence of a photo
because we want to reject everything that can't be
documented clearly and verified for accuracy, different dates,
no one came forward as they would have had this picture
been taken by gun camera footage from the French.
It looks strikingly like if you remember the Trent photo.
What it looks like is the Trent photo.
Which someone has adjusted and changed a little bit.
But it is the same photo.
It's not a separate photo and there's no Providence for it.
And that's not what we mean by UFO.
That is things that seem to be false are not what we mean
by UFO's.
I just spent time only ten days ago here in Vegas with Francois from France.
If you saw close encounters of the third kind he was
like the Truffaut character.
He worked with the official French organization
that was dedicated to understanding and responding
to the UFO phenomena from the top down.
He helped resuscitate it as J Pan in 2006.
He also worked with their spy satellite imagery
programs for many years.
He is no slouch.
And now is a consultant he developed a program
for photo analysis and demonstrated to me painstakingly
the closer you get to that photo, that one, the pixels begin to change.
And though the filament cannot be discerned
on the photo you can see there is a filament there.
That in two sigmas greater probability than not, that it is hanging
by a very thin visible filament from that power line.
And that's too damn bad because it is a great picture and great story.
And that's not what we mean by UFO.
But we do mean this.
Coast guard man Salem, Massachusetts, 1952.
He is in his office and looks out the window.
He sees that.
He sees that and he takes his camera
and takes this picture.
He also shows a photograph which was published
as news to which I will refer shortly, as news in the newspaper unidentified
area phenomena in the east coast.
Then newspapers reported it as news.
Why?
Because this is big news.
When four vehicles in echelon formation are speeding
through the sky surrounded by what looks like a plasma.
And we'll say a little more about that later.
This is what we mean by a UFO.
We mean a genuine photograph of objects flying
in echelon formation demonstrating aerodynamic characteristics
and physical characteristics which at the time the picture was taken or
the report was made could not be easily duplicated or in fact duplicated
at all by any of us terrestrials.
Not saying it's extraterrestrial I'm just saying we didn't know how to do that.
We didn't know how to go from zero to a thousand.
At a talk I gave at the random lake public library,
88 year old man in back says I was in Korea running radar and I saw these
things come across our screen at a thousand miles an hour.
I called my superior officer and said should I report this.
He said no.
The radar is malfunctioning.
He said then we should fix the radar.
The response was no.
So that was the end of that.
(Laughter).
So that's what you run into.
So that's what a UFO is.
This is what a UFO is.
The modern era began in the 1940s with Foo Fighters,
the French word for FAO.
These glowing objects you see three arrows
in the top and two glowing objects were widely reported from the German
and Japanese theaters as pacing, trailing, following then taking
off at an extraordinary rate of speed and going straight
up or disappearing horizontally in the distance.
And they glowed red and white like the plasmas that have become
so familiar.
And we didn't know what they were.
The military said it did not make any official response but, of course,
using freedom of information act and other sources and archives
and libraries and correspondence we've gotten the information that
in fact they did.
They were very concerned about what these were.
We thought they were German or Japanese.
Because we were flying missions over Germany and over Japan.
We learned after the war because we got most
of the scientists and turned them from bad Nazis into good Americans,
like Braun, some became bad communists.
Which a bad Nazi would do.
(Laughter).
But the best of them including Braun became our
good American.
Anyway we found out Germans didn't have them.
They were as puzzled as we were.
We got all the documents and so did the Russians.
They didn't know what they were either.
Neither did the Japanese.
So there was a military response.
At least commanders writing to others saying escalate
the hypothesis in order to understand what these are.
And all they could think of was the category, the cognitive category,
military operation against us by an enemy.
Well, this continued.
1947 is when we mark the beginning of, quote, the modern era that's that
is when Kenneth Arnold in Washington east
of the mountains reported what he saw were nine silvery objects flying
in a kind of skipping motion through the sky behind peaks then
out in front again.
And when he landed he said they skipped through the air
like saucers which good reporters reported as he said they were saucers.
Then we had the word flying saucer which came
into our lexicon.
He said they were heel shaped with a straight edge.
Then a rounded edge.
It was reported flying saucers because he said they skipped
through the air like saucers.
There were other reports all over the country
in small local newspapers of sightings
of disk and cigar shaped objects flying incredible and seemed strange
and didn't make sense to us in 46 and 47 and it compelled the military.
So we have a memo from a general I want
to underscore some words.
He said: It is the opinion that the phenomenon reported
is something real and not visionary or fictitious.
Under score real, not visionary, not fictitious.
This is early on.
They knew it was real.
Why?
Because not only people but sensors like radar detected
the objects in a consistent way which showed
consistent characteristics and because credible people as we'll hear
in a minute saw what they called incredible things.
They knew it was real.
That's the basis.
The sociological puzzle.
And the psychological puzzle for the rest of the twentieth century
is how we humans can hear this being said in the 1940s.
They are real the general said.
And it does not penetrate our brain, drip, drip, drip, in any meaningful way.
As to become the cornerstone or foundational anomaly that is a fact.
Which Richard the great physicist said
is where you begin to change the paradigm.
Hates to be a fact and has to be anomalous.
It cannot fit in our current model of understanding.
It has anomalous.
We didn't know what they were.
And it was a fact.
There are objects probably in the shape of a disk as such size
is appear to be as large as manmade aircraft.
Reported operating characteristics extreme rates of climb,
maneuverability and actions which must be considered evasive when
sighted by aircraft and radar.
It was serious.
The aerodynamic capability was reported to be far in excess
of anything that we knew how to do or could engineer even though we may
well have been working on trying to understand electric magnetic
systems or propulsion systems that didn't just blow gas
out of the back end of a object and push it forward
in response with lift.
They operated in a different way.
And our observations confirmed that and we didn't know.
I don't think we still know exactly how gravity was displaced
or electromagnetic currents were generated that affected space time
and affected the people that were close
to the object in the way they have been reported to do.
So they were real.
Even Lyndon Johnson who was a congressman then said what's
the story.
I'm getting letters from constituents who see
these things.
He was told correctly, this is one half of the quote in the book,
you get that I am just skipping through the highlights of 600 pages
of well documented, complex, detailed history.
We're investigating the flying disks.
Detailed statements of credible witnesses are being
carefully reviewed.
Under score credible witnesses.
They knew then that's what they were.
And they were being carefully reviewed although not in public.
Well they had to respond and they did.
They formed project sign in 1948.
There were three hypotheses considered by project sign.
Which was staffed by people who were well intended
and thought their commission, their task was to try to come
up with a hypothesis that best fit the data they were presented
and said what these things were likely to be.
And there were three major hypotheses.
They were Russian.
They were American.
And compartmented secret project that other people didn't know about.
Or as they thought, extraterrestrial.
These days people say maybe they're from another dimension.
I won't go into.
This talk isn't about their behaviors.
But today we would expand on that and say there are variety
of possibilities that might explain this if they are intelligent and
if they are visitors.
But at that time it was Russian or American or extraterrestrial.
The Russians why not over flying our cities and missile bases
and airports.
They really weren't.
They couldn't.
They would have been in big trouble had they done that.
If it was an American project, let's flash forward
a few decades when Edward Mitchell, Apollo 14, said to me
with a straight face, Richard, he said, if we can do what they can do,
they would not have sent me to the moon in a Tin Lizzie.
This is a man who spent several days cramped up in a tin can going
to the moon, walking on the moon, and who coming back had
a life changing experience in which he determined, perceived,
experienced the unity of all things.
The inner connectiveness, the non local connectiveness
and consciousness of all things and has devoted his life ever
after to try to articulate that so people could very frustrating very lonely so
people could understand what he experienced when he saw
the unity of all things like a Misick coming back
from the moon.
They wouldn't have sent me to the moon in a tin Lizzie
if we knew how to move like that, he said.
So it was determined that they were not American.
Make the story very short.
It was not a compartmented project and we did not have
the technological ability to do that.
The third hypothesis was the most likely.
The least unlikely hypothesis that explain what's we are looking
at as data and evidence is the extraterrestrial hypothesis.
They wrote an estimate of the situation which is what you did
in that domain and sent it up the chain of command
to Vandenberg the general at the top.
He responded by saying I refuse to accept that.
Knocked it back down.
It went back down the chain of command and it was disbanded.
But they had to do something more so
they did project grudge.
The name of which signifies the attitude of people in it.
When your commanding officer says I refuse to accept
the likely hypothesis that explains the data then you know your task
is to come up with a hypothesis that is probably much less accurate than
that and, therefore, just spin your wheels, kill time,
have lunch, take long naps and come up with something.
Well we don't have the estimate of the situation.
There is one copy.
It's kind of like the end of "Raiders of The Lost Arc."
It's hidden in a warehouse somewhere.
But we do have the report of captain Rue pelt who was
the first head of project blue book later
on that it existed and what was in it.
It was that hypothesis.
And that's what was rejected.
Project grudge had a different attitude and they came
up with this.
Look at this press release.
Evaluate it for yourself.
We have investigated and evaluated blank.
That is whatever is reported to be occurring and have found nothing
of value which would change our previous estimates on the subject.
We had mimeo machines then.
Not digital.
Crank out this press release and distribute to all people on bases.
And when anyone reports anything like an unidentified flying object fill
in the blank with the name of the incident and say it's been
investigated and it's nothing.
That was just an expedient response.
Some were unhappy like general cable.
He said what the hell do I have to do actually said what do I have
to do to stir up action.
Anyone can see we do not have a satisfactory answer
to the saucer question.
I want a answer and good answer.
In other words, the government was not just one thing.
There are people who looked at the data and knew it was real.
Of course the problem was they didn't have an answer.
They didn't know what it was.
They didn't know what it was doing or doing here.
And above all, this is critical, they wanted to know if it was a threat.
Because it was a Russian thing it was a threat.
It wasn't Russian.
But is it invaders from mars?
Are they going to eat us?
Is it Clateau come down telling us to get rid of our nuclear weapons?
Gonna stop the roller coaster from going for 20 minutes to get
the attention of earth?
It's not doing any of those things.
What kind of a threat to our national security might this be?
Post World War II, Europe is in rubble.
The martial plan is cranked up as a way to reconstitute Europe.
You guys are kids and don't remember that Europe was destroyed
by World War II.
It was like Syria today.
The Russians were cranking up the cold war.
We were engaged in a new kind of battle.
The iron curtain had descended across Europe, et cetera, et cetera.
In light of those concerns and paranoia and anti communistic,
not just paranoia but realistic concerns that we had
in those years, whether or not an aerial phenomena
of this sort was a threat was a very important thing.
And it was primarily what they looked at.
What is the national security evaluation of this phenomena in these incidents?
Well some still claim they were a mirage.
But let's flash forward again skipping ahead, 1952.
A significant year.
Do you fire on a mirage?
Do you fire on a hallucination?
Quote, we quote we have quotes around and footnotes
and documentation for every damn thing in the book.
There is nothing speculative.
It's from the government's own documents.
That for 50 years this dedicated one would say obsessive,
compulsive team and do you know anyone who is interesting who
is not obsessive?
Certainly not in this CON, right?
'52 at a distance of 130 miles the quote goes ...
northeast of Washington, D.C., relevant.
In a minute three different Army radar units detected an object at 18,000 feet.
Strong signal.
Not an inversion, not a bogey.
Not a blip that wasn't explained.
Remains stationary on radar for 30 minutes then began to move.
By the time it reached the end of the scopes alluded it was going
a thousand miles an hour.
Our report went all the way to the pentagon and
the order came back if another came in, fire out.
After that first night we loaded our 999 millimeter guns unusual to do
in a populated area.
You don't hear them going off over Nellis right now or
over the strip.
We don't fire those kind of guns over populated areas at nothing.
We scrambled F 94 jet fighters from McGwire Airforce base.
They didn't see them again.
They didn't fire.
But they were ready to engage in combat not
with a fictitious object but with a threatening object
because it invaded the airspace which
the Airforce was commissioned to protect and defend on behalf
of the American people.
And it has a lot of investment in having done so
during World War II to an extraordinary degree.
This was really a threat and challenge to everything.
To group thing.
To ego.
To institutional mentality.
Everything legitimate and maybe not as legitimate as well.
But I said that was June 1952.
In July Washington, D.C.
very famous in the cycle.
Eight days over Washington, D.C.
so many objects appeared so often they were seen by multiple pilots.
They were seen by multiple witnesses
on the ground and tracked by the air traffic control stations
on radar in multiple ways.
So multiple witnesses all correlated to the same points and
the same objects and fighters were scrambled and chased them
and couldn't catch them.
Said one poor guy who was chasing one.
Then instead of fleeing as they do, they just play cat and mouse,
it came back toward him.
When he looked around another was coming
toward him from this side.
When you look at the radar screen that is replicated
by the transmission by the transcript of the conversation
with the air traffic controller, you see his blip here and you see circle
of closing blips around him.
And he said the equivalent of holy smokes.
(Laughter).
How do I get out of here?
Well if there was a they, something heard it too.
Because then the blips parted.
And there were multiple witnesses to this event.
And general Samford said at a press conference
before they decided the whole thing of eight days duration was an inversion,
a weather inversion despite the contrary indications
from meteorologists, he said credible people have seen
incredible things.
It was news still.
'52.
That's the front page of the Washington Post.
Can you imagine that today?
The "Washington Post," the "New York Times" saucer not pilot
speculates, pilot thinks, pilot reveals.
He chased it.
And it flew away so fast he couldn't catch it.
I can show you numerous clippings.
We have literally thousands of clippings that we've painstakingly
gathered from around the country from old periodicals as well
as other archives that in this case there are many
about this week.
New York Times, other papers carried it as news
because an investigation had to be in secret after the chase
over the capital.
So it was news.
It was big news.
That was important.
So they had to do something in response to this.
They created project blue book.
These things were over the capital.
They were over the White House.
They didn't land at the White House, but they were over the White House.
They hired Dr. Alan Hyman of Northwestern University,
a famous astronomer to be the research for project Bluebook.
The CIA got involved and concluded a study listen
to these words carefully because they signify what we document
in greater detail a direction that was subsequently
followed after the Robertson panel met, convened Airforce and CIA people
in 1953 and decided on a plan of response that made sense
to them and it kind of went aligned with this.
Flying saucers are not a threat to national security.
Didn't say they're not real.
They said they're not attacking.
They're not a threat.
They fly around.
What is a threat to national security?
Reports of flying saucers are.
Therefore, military personnel should be trained in proper observation
of flying saucers.
At this point we can speculate and ask the question why should
they be trained?
(Laughter) You are not kidding?
Okay.
You think I was talking fast before?
(Laughter).
Look at them, learn everything you can from them.
Figure out what they are if you can.
Figure out how to reverse engineer them.
Do research and development along the line that's many programs
seem somehow but that's all speculative to have followed
in order to find a way to move like that.
Also at the same time create programs to debunk flying saucers
to the citizenry.
There you have it.
Alan said it's characterized by a constant flow of reports.
This is later.
I'm jumping ahead as I need to now.
These are from highly responsible people.
Either something strange is going around or I'm going have
to call all these people liars.
If there are independent witnesses you have quite
a job proving they're all hallucinating.
He began a skeptic.
As reports came in and as he did on the ground investigations
in detail like with Father McGill in Papua New Guinea
an extraordinary case or Lenny Somaro in New Mexico.
He came increasingly to be convinced exactly what
he says here.
These people are not lying.
They're not crazy.
Something's going on, and it's global 150 countries.
It is reports in the same level of detail, the same idiosyncratic detail.
Same granular detail from all over the world.
As a friend of mine at NSA who wrote
a paper disseminated through the agency said what's funny
in America is not funny everywhere.
What's funny for one year isn't funny for 50.
And they agree in the small details from all over the world.
So 20 years later when he became disgusted
with the realization that project Blue Book was
a public relations effort designed to placate and cover whatever was
really happening, in other words with the least untruthful things one
could say while still lying in public.
Because that's simply the nature of cover and deception.
I'm not saying something controversial there.
That's how it's done.
It's not a conspiracy.
It's policy.
And the people who form the policy, yes they meet in rooms,
but it doesn't mean I am a conspiracy theorist
or they're conspirators.
It is the nature of the national securely state
with the degree of secrecy and the high degree of classification
and the necessity therefore when something is believed that it should be
covered appropriately and a lot of people think they made
the right decisions to decide this in light of national security concerns,
then you do say the least untruthful thing you can say
in public while still maintaining the cover story.
But this is what it does to the public.
And that's why people are so disoriented by the revelations
about what we are doing at a government level.
The public he said was placed in the role of the enemy.
Against counter espionage tactics must be employed.
From my experience I felt those in charge considered people reported
or took a serious interest in UFO's and just wanted to know
about them like shmucks like me, what's going on on the planet,
they were enemies.
Just as today it is difficult distinguish them
from whistle blowers from terrorists
from religion zealots from concerned citizens
from journalists.
They all behave the same way.
It's allegiance, perceived allegiance that determines
whether or not they're an enemy.
A hacker is simply a hacker.
I've defined it correctly I think.
A Black Hat hacker is a hacker who knows when to lie.
A gray Hat hacker is a hacker who knows
whether it's appropriate to fudge the truth.
A WhiteHat hacker is a hacker who put the truth
down somewhere and can't remember where he left it.
Just what it is.
So what is a UFO?
Have to do this quick.
Herman on Bert, van Braun who I mentioned
for this reason his mentor in rocketry looked
at he says not three or four but 50 radar measurements
from Airforce and Navy jets.
These are notes from a lecture he gave in Germany.
They can't all be so inaccurate.
What was he talking about that he said was legitimate?
He was speaking of extraordinary speeds
and maneuvers.
If you ask what those were he said they fly in this way.
You can look at the details later.
In sunlight which is brighter than the objects themselves
they glitter like metal.
They're dark orange and cherry red at night.
If they don't need much power when suspended, hovering,
they don't shine much.
But if they start really moving shining brightens.
They turn yellow, yellow green like a copper flame and a state
of high speed acceleration.
Is that arcane or mysterious?
No according to Paul hill.
He was at NASA many decades.
He was fascinated by UFO's having had his own sightings.
He was allowed to collect whatever data
and information he could undercover.
Because NASA's official position is we don't investigate them and
they don't exist.
But he was allowed to do that and his book was published
by his daughter posthumously as unconventional fly objects
a scientific analysis which he spells outs best he could
with his limited ability but supreme knowledge the physics
of what had been observed by him and others.
Five minutes?
Okay.
In the chapter on illumination he creates it
with the corresponding colors exactly as Oberth has described
and many people have described.
They come from radiation generated by the (inaudible).
Then blue.
Blue and white.
White and blue.
A strong radiation peak, et cetera, et cetera.
In other words, people are corroborating
and correlating data and they are making sense
of the same thing.
During the 1950s, project blue book always explained
away everything except those it couldn't.
Then those were listed as unexplained and treated separately
as if they didn't count.
The Airforce has a wonderful manual that it issued
in 1970s to the Airforce cadets at the United States Airforce academy.
It had one chapter on UFO's.
Half was cases of unexplained unidentified objects.
And they made the statement in the discussion section.
And I'm paraphrasing.
The uncorrelated data strongly suggest we are being visited by three
or four civilizations.
Left that in.
Then when people got wind of this chapter somebody was realized
to have made a mistake.
The book was retracted.
All were pulled.
A new addition was issued.
The last chapter was rewritten.
All the cases were removed and the statement was made there's nothing
to it.
We think it's interesting for cadets to consider anomalies
because it challenged their thinking.
But they said three to four civilizations are likely visiting
based on reports.
But there are other cases like the RB 47 bomber.
Numerous events in the 70s.
A wave prompted a need to have it done scientifically and
the Airforce was sick of this because it couldn't deal with it.
They appointed the committee at the University of Colorado.
One of the best chapters in this book is the detailed work Mike the experts
on the committee has done to show the politics how that reached
this conclusion.
They have to jump ahead to the conclusion.
1500 page work including numerous cases unexplained and unidentified.
Then one chapter, the only chapter Condon wrote
without consulting his own 1500 pages of work by his committee and
without doing any field investigation, in which
he concluded there was nothing to it and no reason
to be investigating them any further.
And the Airforce as intended breathed a sigh
of relief and said we're out of the business of UFO's.
They're not going to investigate anything anymore U.
Will get a boiler plate letter if you report something.
We don't do this call your police.
However Barry Greenwood using FOIA found
out they were very much interested in what was going
on across the northern tier of the country in the 70s
like the Airforce base which is on the web (inaudible)
in Minneapolis has done an incredible presentation documenting
and detailing what happened at the Airforce base.
They said nothing happened but freedom
of information act got 24 documents describing indeed
something happened.
Across the whole northern tier all the way
to Montana remarkable events took place.
Which which I encourage you to do your own thinking
and do your own research and find out what was going on.
Because the manner of dealing with it was to debunk,
to ridicule and demean.
How did they do it?
How do they do it?
A friend of mine at NSA teaches deception.
Three legs to the stool.
Illusions, create illusion that's people believe are real.
And reinforce them through media, amplification.
Create distractions.
Misdirection.
Like a magician.
If somebody sees something, it's there, but just make them look over here.
Friend of mine who I met here works at NSA as contract employee looks
for correlation between scandals among celebrities
and important events that needed to be hidden in newspapers.
He found a better than chance correlation.
It troubled him.
Why was Paris Hilton let out of jail early?
Then he looked and found something about Iraq on Page 22.
Paris Hilton was the headline.
It's not that simple and that easy.
But the media is complicit at best or worst cooperative at best,
complicit at worst in amplifying whatever it needs
to amplify according to the people who
feed stories.
That's a whole other talk that I'd love to do sometime
on how we appointed ourselves the ministry of culture.
The CIA did.
In the 50s and 60s.
And what they did around he world with the wholesale creation
of newspapers, magazines and periodicals.
In order to make (inaudible) then repeated
by other magazines which they also influenced or owned.
Things are not what they seem.
They really are not what they seem.
And that too is documented.
Other cases continued.
I refer to you the Tehran case.
We have a document from the intelligence action describing
the dog fight.
It is fascinating reading.
The big Alaska airship is also fascinating.
You are about to tell me I'm almost done.
(Laughter).
Okay.
It's recommended for university libraries
because it's an exception.
A thousand citations, 600 pages.
The history of the government's response.
We don't say anything about aliens or origins.
But we do think you are smart.
And if you see the nose of a camel inside your tent,
guess what might be attached to it outside the tent?
Read this book and other credible work which is referred to on my website.
If you are interested in seeing the book or purchasing one, come
to the book signing over in the book vendor space
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And take a look at the book.
And we're not doing Q & A rooms anymore but I have business cards.
Anyone wants to contact me and talk
about this or other things I have done or said for 18 years which
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Contact me.
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My life is a open book.
Kind of.
And I'll be glad to talk about this or any of the other relevant details.
Thank you.